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Luke begins: “Katie, it’s clear that you don’t need me to promote your work; I’m small relative to the millions of people you’ve reached. But something I’ve noticed about you over the years is that you just tirelessly, happily, and joyfully keep sharing this information with people. It’s so neat to see someone who does it for the love. I mean, The Work is free on your website! I know you have conferences and things to keep the lights on and go deeper, but I really dig that passion.
“Now, there are stories of instant enlightenment like you and Eckhart Tolle, but I know that when people ask you if you’re enlightened you’ve said, ‘I don’t know anything about that. I’m just someone who knows the difference between what hurts and what doesn’t.'”
“For me,” Katie says, “no suffering is as good as it gets. That’s about as enlightened as I want to be. If you don’t love the mind after you’ve outgrown suffering, what’s left?”
“When you were in that dark place in your life, how much of that was at the hands of drugs and alcohol?”
“A lot of it, along with compulsive overeating. All of these were simply ways of trying to ease the pain and put myself to sleep,” Katie says.
“Do you think at that point you were clinically alcoholic or were you someone who just abused a little bit?”
“I saw that I was addicted to what I was thinking and believing. It became so painful to live out of the confusion in my head that it took me to sanity.”
“Once you had that experience, was there ever any desire to overeat, self-medicate, or drink?”
“It all ceased to be a problem, because I was making decisions out of a sane mind. When we’re sane, the choices are so clear, but when we’re believing thoughts that argue against our true nature, we suffer.
Sanity doesn’t suffer, ever. —Byron Katie